Atheists Deny Unalienable Rights
The Declaration of Independence of the United States of America, which was adopted on July 4, 1776, states that,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This raises a troubling question:
Since American atheists do not believe in a Creator, do they not ipso facto deny Americans the enumerated unalienable rights?
—PacRim Jim
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
This raises a troubling question:
Since American atheists do not believe in a Creator, do they not ipso facto deny Americans the enumerated unalienable rights?
—PacRim Jim
Posted by elvisnixon.com at 9/16/2011 11:44 AM 
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Dear Elvis/Nixon,
To further your argument/discussion, even without God, He MUST remain in our Government.
The mention of a Creator trumps the powers of King George, said to have ruling powers granted to him from God himself. Anything our Founding Fathers wrote would have been tossed aside as the pecking order is God, King, Individuals. But with this document, the pecking order was God... Individuals.
So even if our Founding Fathers were Atheists, they'd still include God as a kind of "legality" allowing individuals rights. If rights were admitted to be man made, then they can be man un-made by a tyrant or say a very charismatic president.
Further, the teachings of God describes free will. In that you are presented with choice between good and evil and must choose between the two. Chose well and reap rewards. Poorly and the punishment is your own. God, although powerful and good, does not force right over wrong. That would destroy freedom. Forced good is never commended. You have to choose it on your own.
While we are not a Christian or Jewish Theocracy, our Government was modeled after this relationship we have with God.
Even the Atheist, has to acknowledge and appreciate the relationship if he is to acknowledge freedom and individuality.
He may not believe in God, but he must realize His importance to man.
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Your "troubling question" raises a further troubling question: are you trying to say that atheists are traitors based solely on their religious views?
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No. I am not trying to say that atheists are traitors.
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Atheists would not consider their belief a religion. And treason is knowingly causing harm to our country. Unless you are an atheist by way of communism, you either aren't fully aware of the consequences of your thoughts, or harmful. Most American atheists aren't communists. They simply may not fully understand God's importance to America and freedom.
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Only Liberal atheists.
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"No. I am not trying to say that atheists are traitors."
Then what are you trying to say, by implying atheists would deny their fellow citizens their rights, solely due to their religious views?
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I am saying that atheists engage in selfish and self refuting arguments.
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"The source of our rights (according to both the Constitution and the Declaration) is "The Creator" AKA God."
Nope, my creators were my parents. Sorry, no cookie for you.
"Atheists simultaneously attempt to censor any reference to the source of our rights."
No, atheists require that the government actually follow the constitution and not unlawfully promote religion but instead stay neutral on the subject.
"Logically, atheists are being dishonest at best."
I'd say you're the one being dishonest.
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How disappointing.
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"Your Mommy and Daddy are not the "Creator" that the Declaration and US Constitution refer to."
The US constitution doesn't refer to a "Creator," and the Declaration of Independence isn't what US law is based on, since it was written before the US existed.
"Of course you know that but you feel threatened by the logical impossibility of your conclusions."
No, but I've come across plenty of people like you who try to remove the rights of atheists through such doubletalk.
"Do you believe in science? I do.
Something does not arise from nothing."
First, what you've stated goes against observed science -- see e.g. spontaneous particle-antiparticle pair production.
Second, that's totally irrelevant to legal issues.
"Organic does not arise from inorganic."
Looks like an assertion with nothing to back it up on your part. What about all the organic chemicals found in space?
"Intellectually dishonest and ethically dishonest."
So far, you're the only dishonest one here.
Do you know what "PLONK" means?
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Atheists seek to REMOVE Crosses.
process, the system in a state whose energy is above the "ground state" and
everything we know says that systems in elevated energy states (almost)
always transition to the ground state (eventually) with the concomitant
release of the energy difference in a particle or three. It's the elevated
energy state that's the "cause". Similarly, particle decay proceeds because
the bound particle state has higher energy than the one in which the
constituent particles are separate..'
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"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net.Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams (The Works of John Adams, ed. C. F. Adams, Boston: Little, Brown Co., 1851, 4:31)
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the dishonest one's are the atheists who use the legal system to push their religion, atheism, at the expense of all others, while pretending that it isn't really a religion.
physician heal thyself.
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In light of ATHEIST Stalin ,Mao and Hitler how and why would it be hard to believe that atheism has awful results?
Here is academic proof:
DEATH BY GOVERNMENT
By R.J. Rummel
New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1994.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM
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atheism is just another religious belief.
that their belief is that there is no G*d, for various values of "g*d", doesn't change the fact that they believe it fervently and will argue over it incessantly, just as other religions will argue their beliefs and dogma.
the only difference is that no one has called them on the subject when they use the legal system to advance their religion at the expense of all others.
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The argument is not whether Atheists are traitors or Communists. It is not whether Theists have a Constitutional right to turn America into a Theocracy of Judeo-Christian beliefs.
Ultimately, this discussion is whether or not Government can legislate morality. Can it? More over, SHOULD it?
If we are a moral people (and back in the late 1700's religion was closely tied to morality) we act independently of government.
Today, with religion getting a bad rap, people claim to be morally good, but shun religion. Whether you know universal truths from God or Mom or other, you know them. That's a theological argument, not one of government. We should have those arguments, but remain united under conservative principles. Think of a couple music fans arguing which is the better Beatle, John or Paul. Contentious at times, but never to the point they stop listening to the Beatles altogether.
Remember, Leftists, do not trust people to be morally good on their own, whether learned from God or Mom. Ergo, government must regulate what companies do for example, since Wall Street is filled with bad people. (If people are bad, and government is run by people, then government is equally bad. They are not the answer to fixing Wall Street or anything for that matter. They are far worse!)
If we can agree that God is at least "legally" important in our Government to trump the King, giving us individual rights which can never be stripped away, unless by God himself. That's iron clad even for Atheists! God must remain in Government to at least that extent and we can stop trying to remove the Cross from public view, or demonizing religion and religious people.
And we can agree that good morals are important to eliminating crushing government control as it let's people choose over government choosing for them. Then we can turn away from Leftist thinking as a united people, Atheist and Theist.
In some ways this argument turns into a theological class warfare, set to divide us, not unite us. Many Leftists choose so to separate themselves from the perceived "Bible Banger" Conservative, making freedom, limited government and personal responsibility seem "uncool".
We can continue the theological arguments but all remain conservatives. That's what America was and should continue to be.
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